Necessary Wrath

The day I launched Supraterranean.com, someone wrote a post on the Facebook group to share his opinion. He runs an index of Facebook groups that are devoted to creative writing. He informed me that he is an expert on the subject of literary publication, since he’s editor for the North American Review at University of Northern Iowa. He is — as far as I can tell — a pathetic boob. (Correction: I don’t know him well enough to be certain that he is either pathetic or a boob. I was simply angry.)

In the post, he called the site “narcissistic and solipsistic.” The former was a complaint that I created almost all the content in issue #1. The latter was…well, I haven’t figured that one out yet. In one piece, I did say something about the possibility of time not existing. Does that mean I think nothing exists outside myself? Apparently the man thought it was more effective to chuck big words at people than to take a moment to explain what he really meant.

Here’s how I responded:

“If you read the ‘about us’ page, you’ll see that part of the inspiration behind Supraterranean was ‘to evade the pretentious nature of existing literary journals.’ Your academic high-mindedness and literary tyranny are exactly what I was trying to progress beyond. You take a huge leap in calling the first issue ‘narcissistic.’ I’ve only received three submissions so far, since site development just began in May (you’re welcome to submit…that is, if you can stoop to my standards). Another inspiration was that I hadn’t found a suitable outlet for my work that already exists (including journalism, if that makes you feel better). I think it was Henry Miller who said he’d rather build his own ladder than waste his time climbing someone else’s. (Correction: It was Hunter S. Thompson who said this, in a letter from 1/26/58 printed in his first volume of correspondence, The Proud Highway. The exact quote: “I find that I’d rather build my own figurative ladder than start at the bottom rung of the existing one.”) Well, I just created a customizable ladder for everyone who hates yours. Now I see the real reason you keep the index of creative writing groups — you’re trying to preside over them. Thank you for your consideration, but you can go to hell.”

I will welcome two descriptors: stubborn and sarcastic.

It’s been very difficult for me to explain what I want this web site to be. I regret even calling it a literary journal and I may change the slogan. (Correction: Today, 7/2, I changed the slogan to “Freedom is Expression.” Please comment or email admin@supraterranean.com and tell me what you think.) There’s no single term or concept for what it can become. It’s more of an artistic and creative community on the web than an actual publication. However, since anything posted on the web is now considered “published,” it will be impossible to avoid that tag. Since the site was imagined as something that can not be easily categorized, it made me extremely angry to see someone from a traditional literary journal try to do so.

If you read one thing on the website, please make it the “About Us” page, especially the Mission Statement and Goals. I am not going to be choosing what is placed on the website. My role will be more moderator than editor. I will rant on this blog and post my own creations on the site, but eventually I hope that my content is the minority of what appears there. That’s where you come in. Email your submissions to submit@supraterranean.com today, and let’s get this revolution on its way.

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  • vince.gotera

    Nick, fair enough. And thanks for the cross-out. And thanks for welcoming my participation. Best of luck with Supraterranean.com ... where "com" stands for community!

  • The website was not designed to be a self-serving entity. It was made to serve anyone (myself included) who is willing to post a creative work. When I do so, I am subjecting myself to the interactive community, as well as the greater public -- the same as everyone else.

    I would never refuse to post someone's work because of my personal tastes or standards. Ultimately I hope to not even be a checkpoint between the creators and the website (but I don't think that's possible at this time). I will eventually develop more precise guidelines, since there may be some creations that are inappropriate (i.e. hateful, degrading, etc). However, I will always lean towards openness and few restrictions.

    Some boundaries need to be pushed or broken. That's another goal behind this site. Traditional publications are a boundary to creativity more often than they are a conduit. Your opinions about narcissism, arrogance, and self-serving nature...those are based on the assumptions of a traditional publication.

    It would be easier for both of us if you stop thinking of Supraterranean.com as a literary journal, review, or magazine. It will be a community or it will be nothing. And you're still welcome to participate.

  • vince.gotera

    One final word here, Nick. I hope you remember that your blog is now out in the ether, and that your own words can bite you back. Your readers can see here that, as necessary as you think your wrath may be, it is uncalled for to insult people. Again, I wish you luck with your project.

    And I should also apologize for that snarky closer, "Go to heaven."

    I applaud (really) your populism in wanting to be simply a moderator and not an editor. But I think you'll find that you will at some point not want to publish everything you receive ... some piece will come in that will make you balk, and you will at that moment become an editor. I hope you take up that responsibility as seriously as I do.

    I hope Supraterranean.com does well. I also hope that we can put this flame war behind us. I never meant to start it, and I would like to put an end to it. I want no bad blood between our houses.

  • vince.gotera

    Again, for blog readers to judge ... here is the text of my response after your angry reply (which you quote above without quoting my post, btw). --Vince

    "Nick, I'm sorry I offended you. I didn't mean to. I suppose 'narcissistic and solipsistic' was too strong a phrase.

    I thought you were open to suggestions and that when you said you wanted people to look at the mag you wanted honest reactions. And that you would welcome criticism. That was my honest reaction.

    I just feel VERY strongly that editors should not publish themselves. It's not just tacky, it's self-serving. At the risk of offending you again, it might even be arrogant.

    I'm about the least high-minded editor you'll ever meet. I publish a large number of beginning and emerging writers. I like nothing better than writers saying in their bios, 'this is my first publication.' I usually don't even publish two pieces by a writer in any single issue in order to leave room for other writers.

    About presiding over anything ... I'm too damn busy for that. The index is a service. And it's a lot of work.

    On submitting ... I'll pass. I doubt I'll get a fair reading now. Go to heaven."

  • vince.gotera

    Nick, I did not insult you in my initial post. In fact, I was trying to be helpful. Let your blog readers judge. The text of my post is below. --Vince

    "Hi, Nick ... just looked at your first issue. It seems quite strange because all the pieces are by Meadors ... and every single one is by you except for David's film. I realize this was an independent study, but even knowing that, I still found it narcissistic and solipsistic. I would suggest calling this a TEST issue, not the FIRST issue ... then build an actual issue with many contributors. (And have nothing by yourself in the first issue.) I am speaking not only as an individual reader but also as an informed expert ... I am an editor of a well-known print lit-mag. Best of luck with your project."

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